tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN December 16, 2011 8:00pm-9:00pm PST
counting down the top ten ridiculists of the year. we want you to help us pick them. go to ac360.com and vote for your favorite. we'll start airing the top ten monday, december 19th. that does it for us. thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts now. two penn state leaders charged with lying in the sexual abuse case against coach jerry sandusky. former assistant coach, mike mcqueary, the one who saw sandusky showering with a boy, testified today. the the death of robert champion jr., the florida a&m university drug major who died last month, ruled a homicide today. the lawyer for robert's family comes "outfront." and the bottom line, the payroll tax, a government shutdown averted and the payroll tax in countdown. let's go "outfront." i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, breaking news on what matters to all americans watching tonight. the payroll tax. democrats and republicans have been fighting for weeks over how
to pass an extension. now, if it gets extended, the average american will save about $1,000 in taxes next year, senate r.s and ds have been meeting right now. and john thune of south dakota stepped out a moment ago. we're hoping for some good news. what can you tell us? >> right, it's a two-month extension, erin. it has unemployment insurance, it has the payroll tax cut extension, and what we call the doc fix, which deals with physician reimbursements under medicare. and then it also has the keystone pipeline language that was in the house, also in this particular senate bill. so i feel really good about where we are considering the fact that the senate democrats i don't think were comfortable with the pay-fors that were being proposed. and we would like to have gotten a full year like what was passed through the house of representatives. but this is where we are. we get a two-month extension of the three things i mentioned, plus we get the pipeline. >> okay.
two months, though, is really not something that makes people feel very good. i mean, we're going to be having the same conversation in 60 days with another countdown? >> well, my guess is we probably will. we'll have to revisit this issue. like i said, that was not the the preferred alternative for many of us. we wanted to see the same thing that passed through the house of representatives pass in the senate, which was a one-year extension. but the democrats would not accept credible offsets to pay for it in the senate. so this is what we got down to in terms of a package that we could get support from both republicans and democrats for. for republicans, this is a big victory in the sense that the keystone pipeline was really important. we think the real jobs component in this bill. this is the thing that creates jobs in the near term. >> i'm curious, though, because there were so many things that democrats liked that some republicans liked, as well, that could've paid for this. and it seems, you know, some might say, look, you republicans, you just pushed for some of the things that democrats really didn't want when there were some things like
increasing fees to mortgage lenders or means testing for some on medicare that would've gone on board, that would have funded this thing for the year. >> right, and we were all in favor of those things, erin. i'm not saying -- what i'm suggesting is i don't think that senator reid could sell some of those pay fors to his caucus. he couldn't get democrats on board with supporting some of those. in fact, the pay-for that's going to pay for the two-month extension is the increase in the guarantee fees on the gses. so that's something that everybody agreed on. that was something that both democrats and republicans felt comfortable with. but the other pay-for is something that we both supported and we thought we could get democrat support for. evidently, he could not. >> so you're saying you feel good. i feel a little bit let down. i was hopeful you would come up with something more than two months, especially when you all wanted to do this and you agreed to pay for it. it's sort of like, gosh, if you guys can't get this done for a full year, what in the world can you guys get done? >> well, look, i don't disagree with you.
i'm disappointed as well that this isn't a full year. we had a full year passed out of the house of representatives. they sent it to the senate, the pay-fors were pay-fors in the senate that most of the senate would have supported. but there's a lot of opposition to the way this thing was paid for. so to get it down to a level where everybody was comfortable with the offsets that were being used to pay for those three things, this is where we ended up. now, what that simply means is that we will revisit this in another two months, and obviously, we'll have these probably same debates all over again. it's not a perfect solution by any stretch. >> no. >> but it's what we're able to get through. >> all right. this keystone pipeline, let me just ask you about that. the president will have the right to say he doesn't want to do it because of national security concerns. do you think he'll do that? and i'm also curious, because the current version of this pipeline, obviously, you know, this is going to go through your state. and you're going to benefit from it. so i get that you support it. but how many jobs are we really going to get?
i looked at this today. some studies said we were going to lose jobs because it's going to hurt farmland. other studies said we were going to gain 583,000 jobs, which frankly seems a little bit absurd. and the state department said only 5,000 jobs. it kind of seems like nobody has any clue. >> right. well, the president -- what he has -- if he has determined that this is not in the national interest in order for it not to go forward. but with regard to what it does for jobs -- and the numbers that you have used are not numbers that i have seen. we've seen a 20,000 number, jobs created in the construction phase, and then also, of course, lots of jobs after that. but in my state of south dakota, for example, when keystone one went through there, it created about 2,400 jobses, both full-time and part-time, and that was actually more than was predicted that would be created. it's good for my state, obviously, in terms of jobs and the economic impact it would have, and a lot of other states as well. but think about the other issues here. this is an energy security issue. general james jones, the president's former national security adviser came out today
and said that this is in the national interest. this helps make us less dependent upon foreign sources of energy. and if we don't benefit from it, that energy is going to go some place else probably west toward china. >> all right. well, senator thune, thank you very much. and before i let you go, let me just confirm, what's your sense as to whether this has been vetted through the house. is this really done? is this going to be voted on tomorrow. or is it possible this two-month deal you have somehow doesn't happen? >> it's never final until it's final, of course. but we had our -- our caucus met, i think there was general acceptance and pretty broad support for it. the democrats, i think, are meeting as well tonight. the question is the house of representatives. my understanding is, at least, if it has these elements in it, the house would be for it. we'll vote on it tomorrow. if everything moves forward according to plan, the house will have to come back and vote on it some time probably sunday or monday. >> i guess they go on vacation later than you do. thank you, senator. let's bring in john avalon, cnn
contributor. so not quite 24 hours ago, we were sitting here. and we were upset about a two-month deal because it doesn't do anything. doesn't put a lot of money in people's pockets, doesn't cause hiring and we're back to square one on something they all agreed on and here we are, john. >> here we are. this breaking news just shows how addicted washington, d.c. is to brinksmanship. they can't get past the kabuki theater, even when they agree. and what we have is kicking the can down the road two more months. and we just heard senator thune say it, we'll probably be back here in two months. >> no, he said it. we'll be talking about the exact same thing. my problem here is you made a list of ten different ways to propose to pay for it. some the democrats hated, some the republicans hated. and yet, that left seven or eight. >> that's right. >> and they couldn't use them! >> and they couldn't get it done, past kicking the can. because apparently republicans would not give up on de-linking the keystone pipeline, despite, as senator rand paul said on the show a few nights ago, he said, let's de-link it from the payroll tax and give it an up or down vote. keep it straight. keep it honest.
this shows how much bad blood there is, how much distrust, and shows that pew poll that said 2/3 of americans believe that congress should be kicked out, there's a reason for that frustration out there. this is just the latest example. >> and then on top of it, one thing that's getting buried in this, because we have this breaking -- i put quotes around it, because this is a two-month deal -- but the government shutdown was averted. there were eight threats of that this year, but they're going to fund through next september. you say, great, there's not going to be this problem until next year, until one month before the election. >> broadly speaking can -- >> can't wait for that. >> right. we'll see the specific timing. that is good news, right? we'll hopefully not have a brinksmanship about lack of money in a presidential year. that's great. that should also be filed under no-brainer, right? you know, congratulations, you're not going to shut down the government. that's the standard of success right now? >> yes, pretty much, john, it is. >> that seems to be the standard of success. we've got a payroll tax cut, it shows 160 million americans going to be affected by this
potentially, so they're not going to see their taxes go up immediately. >> it's an average of up to $160 over two months. so if the whole point is to make you feel wealthier and have money to spend on things and you don't even know if you're going to have it in month three? >> this falls short. this creates that exact atmosphere of uncertainty that people have been complaining about. >> that's right. >> so, you know, look, kicking the can down the road, it's great they're going to pay for the government, but this payroll tax gets filed under epic fail again. >> all right. thank you very much, john avalon. i was hoping this would be with a different conversation tonight. still "outfront," presidential candidate mitt romney picks up a big endorsement tonight, south carolina governor nikki haley. will her, yes, matter? move the needle in the palmetto state. and the s.e.c. files suit against the former ceos of fannie and freddie, mac and mae. the u.s. government is giving them $100 billion in the form of a bailout right now. do we need them? and nuclear material found in an airline passenger's luggage today going to tehran. we have the latest developments
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so a lot of people have fallen in love with a guy named tim tebow. the denver broncos were 1-4 until this guy, tim tebow, was named the starting quarterback. since then the team was 7-1. football gurus are pretty mystified about how he's managing to win, because obviously some sort of superstar, but the numbers don't
seem to work. we considered comparing tebow's stats to tom brady's. obviously if you don't know who he is. come on, he's married to giselle, you know who he is, the quarterback for the new england patriots, and tim's opponent this weekend. but instead, we decided to look at his fat head. yeah, the number tonight is 50,000. that is how many dollars worth of tim tebow tebowing fatheads the company sold in its first two days of release. for those unfamiliar with tebowing, there was someone in our staff who was unfamiliar today. let me explain it for you. the quarterback signature that has become a sensation and a way for rivals to poke fun at the phenom. fathead, the maker of life-sized graphics that you can stick on your wall started selling the tebowing image on tuesday. it quickly became the best-selling image on the site. it's on pace to have the best one-week sales of any fathead ever. wow. $50,000. tom or tim? who you rooting for this weekend? okay, a very high-profile endorsement for mitt romney today.
south carolina governor nikki haley made the announcement on fox news this morning. >> what i want is someone who is not part of the chaos that is washington. and what i wanted was someone who knew what it was like to turn broken companies around. someone who had proven results by improving a failed olympics that ended up being a great success story. and someone that knows what it's like to make a decision and lead not just make a vote. >> now, it's not a huge surprise that she chose to support romney. haley has endorsed romney before and he's endorsed her. but here's why it could be a little bit bigger of a deal. number one, she is the republican governor of south carolina. south carolina will be the first state in the south to hold a primary next month. after iowa and new hampshire. romney, of course, could use a bit of a boost there. the latest cnn poll shows newt leading by a big margin, 43% to 20% for romney. all right. that's one reason that it matters. second reason, governor haley was elected into office with the
help of the tea party. and romney, as all our viewers are well aware, has had a lot of trouble getting supporter from tea partyers and conservatives. cnn political analyst david gergen, and good to have all of you with us. let me start with you, scott. i'm curious, what do we read into this? because nikki haley supported by the tea party, but her approval rating in her state right now is not very high. >> yeah, that's right. it is an important endorsement, but endorsements today mean less than they did probably 10 or 20 years ago. south carolina is an incredibly important state. it sort of deals the knockout blow to the challenger in a republican primary situation, with '96, 2000, and 2008, the eventually winner of the gop primary in south carolina getting the nomination. i think, for what it's worth, i think an endorsement, say, from very popular conservative congressman tim scott from south carolina may actually mean more
in the end game of this campaign in south carolina than, say, the nikki haley endorsement does, because tim scott is very influential, continuously influential with those tea party voters. so that endorsement may actually mean more in the end result of the primary. >> david gergen, it is interesting, though, that the romney camp has managed to get a couple of these endorsements. nikki haley, obviously this week, christine o'donnell, which obviously came with a -- well, let's play that sound bite of why that one was a little bit more problematic here on cnn's "american morning." >> that's one of the things that i like about him. because he's been consistent since he changed his mind. >> she said that with a straight face. maybe she was being tongue in cheek, i don't know. >> that was the old line, i voted for it before i voted against it. listen, if endorsements were going to determine the outcome, this would be over now.
romney would be ahead by 30 points. he's collected most of the endorsements. that is a result of his diligence, his support, and frankly, the money he's put in to help people in the past. and that's politics. that's what you should do. but the critical thing is this. this endorsement will not matter much if he's coming -- if romney comes limping out of new hampshire. on the other hand, if romney can beat expectations in iowa and win new hampshire, then the haley endorsement could actually matter a lot. because at that point, gingrich might seem to be faltering, and this endorsement could really push romney over the top. he's a long way back now, but in that scenario, the haeley endorsement suddenly becomes very important. >> jen, speaking for the obama campaign and administration, are they still counting on mitt romney being their adversary, or has the feeling inside the obama camp changed? that perhaps they may be fighting someone like newt gingrich? >> well, i wouldn't want to be making a bet right now in vegas, i have to tell you. and i think that's true for most
people who are watching. what's interesting about this endorsement is that nikki haley is a favorite of the tea party, as you touched on. this race has now become a race to the right. you have newt gingrich and mitt romney duking it out for who can be more conservative and who can appeal more to the conservative base. and at the same time, you've seen their support among independents drop. so the longer this goes on, the more interesting it will be, to the see how far to the right they go, in the pursuit of the nomination. >> and she uses the word "interesting," david gergen, but i would imagine that she's being polite. that barack obama would say, the better this becomes for him. because all of a sudden he's got all of these campaign fights going on on the far right that help him win over the is. >> well, it depends how far right they get drawn. it's -- you know, these debates overall, i think, have helped gingrich a great deal, including the debate last night, where he was on the defensive for the first half of the debate, but then he came roaring back in the second half. so i think he more than held his
own last night. romney was very steady. but while the debates have helped newt gingrich and made him very competitive, i think, overall, it's been a two-edged sword. and that is the debates, the hard wright quality of these debates, you know, week after week, has also deepened the impression in the minds of a lot of independents, these guys may be too far right for me. so, you know, it is -- that's why i think the debate have said a two-edged sword for republicans overall. >> thanks to all three. please enjoy your weekends. >> thank you. >> thank you. earlier today, the s.e.c. filed civil suits against the former ceos of housing agencies, fannie mae and freddie mac. now, these suits claim that daniel mudd, the former fannie mae ceo, and richard siren understated the amount of subprime securities they were exposed to by hundreds of billions of dollars. ken rosen of uc berkeley told "outfront" today that, "it's long overdue attempt to hold accountable some of those
responsible for the massive losses in the mortgage market meltdown." now, fannie and freddie are ground zero for the housing crisis in this country. companies were created to provide stability in the housing market, no increase home ownership in this country. and in the process, they became massive government-sponsored enterprises. they make too big to fail look tiny. combined, they hold or guarantee $5 trillion of u.s. home mortgages. that's half the total u.s. mortgage market, and since this whole crisis began, they have been buying nine and ten mortgages in this country. it is why the government had to bail them out, at a total estimated cost of $125 billion through 2014. but do we really need fannie and freddie? canada does not have a home mortgage interest deduction or a fannie or a freddie. and canada has the same home ownership rate as the united states. virtually identical. let's be honest, the way the situation is in washington right now, the chances of decision being reached on what to do with
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, where we focus on our reporting, do the work, and find the "outfront 5." number one tonight, new details on the payroll tax cut extension. senate democrats and republicans meeting tonight over a potential new deal. republican senator john thune was there, and he came "outfront."
>> it's a two-month extension, erin, and it has unemployment insurance, it has the payroll tax cut extension, and what we call the doc fix, which is the addition that deals with physician reimbursements under medicare. and then it also has the keystone pipeline language that was in the house, also in this particular senate bill. so i feel really good about where we are, considering the fact that senate democrats, i don't think, were comfortable with the pay-fors that were being proposed, and we would have liked to have gotten a full year, like what was passed through the house of representatives, but this is where we are. we get a two-month extension to the three things i mentioned, plus we get the pipeline. >> the house still has toe decide whether they're on board with that deal. number two. a group called iowans for life telling "outfront" tonight it is not behind an anti-newt gingrich flyer. the flyer attacked gingrich for being a pro-life fraud. quoting, the flyer said it was paid for by iowans for life, but we spoke to maggie dewitt,
executive director of iowans for life and she told us her group had nothing to do with the flyer. and she said, "i don't believe the accusations on this flyer. we believe that newt gingrich is pro-life." number three, new video of bradly manning, the officer accused of leaking classified documents to wikileaks. manning had a pre-trial hearing, where his attorney wanted the investigating officer of the case removed due to conflicting interesting. the officer has a civilian job with the justice department, which is investigating wikileaks founder, julian assange. our experts believe if manning is convicted of this crime, he could spend life in prison. number four, internet's microsoft explorer 8 no longer the most popular web browser. the top spot now belongs to google chrome, which now has about 25% of the market. now, we looked at the numbers, and when you go in, it's a little more complicated. when you combine all different versions of internet explorer, microsoft still leads with nearly 40% of the market.
there's the good news, microsoft. the bad news, of course, is your market share used to be 90%. now the anti-trust eye turns on google. it has been 133 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? ratings agency fitch says france gets to keep its aaa rating for now. they revised its outlook on the country from negative to stable. if france were downgraded, it could have a big impact on the european debt crisis. a lot of people say their situation is a lot worse than the united states, so, hmm, shady or not. radioactive material from russia. the kind that can only be obtained from a nuclear reactor was found today in an airline passenger's luggage in moscow. the discovery was made in moscow and apparently was pretty easy to detect because radiation levels in the area were reportedly 20 times above normal. the plane was about to leave moscow and fly to -- you guessed -- there we go, going south,
yep, tehran. which is why so many urgent questions are being raised about iran's nuclear program, how far along is it? and which countries are supporting it? the united states has sanctions against iran. but what are china, russia, and north korea doing to support the country's nuclear ambitions? and what role does germany play? yeah, germany joining us now to talk about this is gordon challenge, author of "nuclear showdown: north korea takes on the world." gordon, let me start by asking you, what was the importance of what was discovered today in moscow? sure it may have been crude and some are saying this was medical devices, but this whole concept that russia has 18,000 nuclear warheads and all this radioactive material and that it could somehow get on a plane. >> you know, what's really important is you had an iranian courier trying to smuggle nuclear material into tehran. and the important thing for us is that iran doesn't need long-range ballistic missiles to be a real threat to us. all it needs is a crude device that they can take apart, they can smuggle into the united states, and reassemble it. we're talking about nuclear terrorism, and it is the most important thing that we should
really be looking at. because it is just -- affects us, everybody. >> and russia has tried to make a point of saying, no, our warheads are safe. right, after the breakup of the ussr, they were all over the place, and they know where they are, and they put them away, and they were secure. does this put that in question? >> and there were reports that there were suitcase nuclear weapons that went missing. also, there have been nuclear shells that were taken out of a kazakhstan nuclear dump. there were all sorts of stories, we can't confirm them. but with clearly, they exist, and we know who wants to buy this stuff. that's the atomic ayatollahs in iran. >> do we know how these were obtained? you were talking about an iranian courier, but anymore details that you can think of what might have happened here? >> as you pointed out, this was not made in somebody's basement. this came from a particle accelerator. that means it was a university or a government lab. that means people had to have been bribed. and if people can bribe to steal sodium 22, which is after all, not that dangerous, they
probably can also be bribed for uranium and plutonium, and russia has a lot of plutonium that's unsecured. >> so what does this tell us about who's helping iran? could this have been more formal in russia? and what about china and north korea? >> well, china has been selling iran particle -- all sorts of stuff, like brillium for nuclear weapons. also they've been doing this indirectly through north korea. so we know that china's been a big supporter, and russia has also helped, though, a bit more above board because they are building iran's first nuclear reactor. >> the power plant -- right. what was amazing to me, the brief time in iran, a lot of german businessmen there too, i'm not saying they're doing anything nuclear, but the point is, there's a lot of people doing business with iran, when, theoretically -- >> that's why it's so hard to get sanctions through the u.n. or the iaea governing board, because a lot of interests are there that really want to preserve this deal flow with iran.
and the only way that we're going to stop them is if we stop the gasoline going into iran and the oil and gas coming out. >> which points right at china. all right. thank you very much. appreciate it. china, of course, the biggest buyer of iranian crude oil. well, it is official, we now know what killed the florida a&m university drug major who died after allegedly being hazed last month. the medical examiner ruled the 26-year-old robert champion jr. a homicide. the cause, the report says he died of shock due to the blunt force trauma sustained during a hazing incident. and the report concludes that he collapsed and died within an hour of the incident. joining us now, a lawyer for robert champion's family, christopher chestnut. thanks so much for being with us, sir. we appreciate it. and what was the family's reaction to this? >> devastation. it was somewhat comforting to have an answer as to what happened in confirmation, but equally disconcerting. i mean, no one ever wants to lose a child, and especially due to a violent death. >> what we found out, obviously today is, unfortunately, and tragically consistent with what
we had been hearing from robert's fellow band members. he died after a right of passage. they called it crossing bus sea, where, i guess, he was supposed to walk backwards from the front of the bus to the back, while other people were supposed to beat him while he did that. what more can you tell us about that? >> you know, it's still very early on in the investigation. we have confirmed that it was a bus sea hazing, that was customary for the band. and it went too far. so it's, again, unfortunate. and we're hoping that we can change the culture there so this does not happen to anyone else. >> what does the family intend to do next? >> well, the family has a facebook page and a 1-800 number. is starting a foundation in robert's memory. the principal purpose of the foundation is to top hazing. equally, we're filing a lawsuit against the institution and whoever else is responsible. >> all right. we well, thank you very much, sir. we appreciate you taking the time. >> thank you. >> unfortunate ending. the latest developments on
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sources around the world. tonight we begin in cairo where violence ramped up today. ben wedeman is there. ben, what tactics did the police and the military use against the crowds? >> reporter: erin, according to eyewitnesss, it appears that live ammunition has been used against these demonstrators. not only that, from photographs and video we've seen, the soldiers have been throwing molotov cocktails, rocks, bricks, furniture. in one case, one soldier has even been photographed urinating on the demonstrators. this despite the fact that the egyptian prime minister three weeks ago promised that violence would never be used against peaceful demonstrators. it appears that some in the military and the army haven't received that memo. erin? >> thank you, ben. now to paris, where carlos the jackal, once one of the most wanted fugitives in this world, was slapped with yet another life sentence in prison. jim bittermann was there. and jim, was this -- it must
have been amazing to be there -- a throwback from a different era? >> reporter: erin, in fact, it is. this is very much back to the cold war era, the days of the gangs and the red brigades, terrorists of a different shape and form back then that were fighting proxy wars on behalf of the cold war enemies, the soviet union and the united states. carlos himself said in a nearly four-hour wrap-up at the end of his trial, he said, long live the revolution. he said, i'm a living archive, a reference to the fact that most of his fellow terrorists from that era are either now in prison or dead. erin? >> thank you, jim. now to india, where moonshine brewed in the country's west bengal state caused mass illness and death. ram is watching the story for us. what happened to the people that made this toxic brew. >> police raided several shops and at last report, 168 people
have been killed. some 100 are still in the hospital. police say they've arrested some dozen people. they don't have the ring leader of the liquor ring. the problem, dangerous chemicals that are added to cheap, home-brewed booze to give it more kick. erin? >> a terrible story. well, now to the scandal that has grabbed headlines here in the u.s. today a pennsylvania judge ruled that two former university officials are headed for trial in the penn state child rape case. gary schultz, who was once head of campus police, and tim curley, the former athletic director, are both charged with lying to the grand jury. and failure to act when accusations of sexual abuse against coach jerry sandusky surfaced. well, the fate of schultz and curley may hinge on the day's star witness, mike mcqueary. that's the man there with the red hair. he testified about alleged abuses that he saw -- that is the operative word -- back in march of 2002. hln's mike galanos was in the court. and mike, mcqueary went into some graphic detail, and i know the whole debate coming into
this had been, did he see it, did he just hear it? what really happened? what did he say today? how strong was his testimony? >> reporter: i thought it was very strong, erin. i thought he was very credible. he walked in with a demeanor, like, this is my day to tell the story. and we got that extra detail that, number one, that there were three different looks. and also, the sounds. first off, it was the sounds, the rhythmic slapping. he thought a sexual sound. he was embarrassed right out of the gate. then he walks to his locker and catches a glimpse out of a mirror, and through that reflection he says he saw jerry sandusky with this young boy, and he believes he's molesting the young boy. can't believe it. takes a beat, and then takes another look with his own eyes and sees the same image of jerry sandusky, as close as can be, believing there's some kind of intercourse going on. and then, a few beats later, he walks into the shower, and at that point, sandusky and the child are four or five feet apart and the molestation, he believes, has stopped. and that's the detail we get that made it credible, i
thought, erin, listening in that courtroom. >> it's hard to even hear you re-tell it. i have to be honest with you, mike. so you believe this was credible. what does this now mean, do you think, in terms of these other two men who were accused of lying? >> reporter: well, you know, we also had a chance after the morning break to listen to their testimony read in detail. we had the presentment, which was a summary. now we get more detail. and to be honest, i mean, this is the prosecution's day. gary schultz and tim curley did not look good. it was tim curley's decision to not investigate, to not identify who this boy was, and gary schultz, he's the head of police, erin. and no investigation with him, and there are quotes from him, oh, these allegations weren't that serious. you couple that with what we heard from mike mcqueary. it's not altogether fair, because mcqueary's there in person, they're reading the testimony. but it was such a stark contrast, again, making mcqueary all that much more believable. >> thank you very much, mike galanos.
let's bring in cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin. >> it's horrible to listen to. isn't it unbelievable? >> it is horrible to listen to. >> it gives me the creeps. >> it does. but you know one thing, when this whole debate had happened, because mike mcqueary said he had saw it in the grand jury testimony, and then some of his friends told us, well, he just heard it, but this is what you needed to hear. something like this would be emblazoned on your eyes forever. and he remembers, i saw it in the mirror, i took a beat. that's exactly what you would remember if you were telling the truth. >> it sounds like a credible story. and it is certainly likely to be very bad for sandusky. however, this is about these two administrators. and i actually think, it's not surprising that the case was ordered forward. there's a very low standard for this kind of hearing. but this is a problematic case against the administrators. i don't think it's a slam dunk at all. because it's one thing for him to recount this today. it's another thing to prove exactly what he told the administrators and how, sort of,
the game of telephone worked for them to know what happened and what they did afterwards. >> so he may have seen that, but it all depends on what he exactly told them. and also told joe paterno. >> and told joe paterno. and you know, the lack of urgency that this university showed. i mean, you know, here we're hearing this story and we are repelled that people in a position to do something about it, to find the kid, to help the kid, to help other kids, completely absent. >> right. and you wouldn't even think -- i don't know if it came up today, but make mcqueary would be obsessed with finding that child. >> with finding that child, and making sure that this guy not only was off the penn state's campus, but not doing this to kids again. i mean, you would think he would be calling the police. >> right. >> that day! not, you know, after he talked to his father, but that day. >> all right. well, thank you very much. and we're going to, obviously, more and more of these awful things are going to come out. >> we'll see. the son of warren buffett
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did you know that one in six americans are hungry right now? it's embarrassing and unacceptable for the world with's biggest economy, where we have a surplus of food. howard buffett is trying to do that. he's president of the howard g. buffett foundation. if the name sounds familiar, it is. he's also the son of warren buffett. howard recently came "outfront" to talk about his work with feeding america. it's the third biggest charity in this country. >> we have almost 50 million food insecure people in this country. and a lot of those people, i mean, the number has risen significantly in the last few years. >> food insecure means not starving, but not sure where the next meal's coming from. >> you don't know where your next meal's coming from. you really don't know how you're going to feed your child or yourself. and of course, people within those numbers change as well. so there's more than just that number, overall, from, you know, throughout a year. but, really, they don't know where their meal's going to come from. >> we have an incredibly cheap
food supply in this country. i mean, we grow it here. when you look at, sometimes, how much things cost in the grocery store, you know, 20 cents, sometimes -- and yet, that's still not within reach of a lot of people. >> well, we have really, in the developed world, we have about the cheapest food supply in terms of the percentage of our income of anybody in the world. and not only is it cheap and people can't get it, but we also, last year, had almost $3 billion worth of fruits and vegetables that never could get harvested. you know, we're losing food on one end, in big numbers, and we have people who are hungry on the other end. it's really pretty crazy in this country. >> and then we have food stamps. are food stamps effective either in administration or in the cost to dealing with this problem? >> you have to have some kind of safety net. so you can argue over the details of it. actually, the s.n.a.p. program has one of the lowest fraud percentages of use of many federal programs. >> so feeding america, as we said, is the third biggest
charity in the country. why have you chosen to back them? what are they doing that's innovative, that's different? >> well, feeding america is, in my opinion, the best partner we could choose to do this, because they're the largest in terms of outside of the government, they're the largest in terms of the amount of people they feed. they're very well organized. and they have a huge network of over 200 food banks and over 60,000 agencies that they work with. so their reach is very extensive. >> if you could just wave a magic wand, what would be the biggest change that you could make? >> if you could really scale up the option of using your s.n.a.p. card at, like, farmer's markets and places where you can get better food for your kids, more nutritious food, more balanced, where you can provide a more balanced food basket, they're doing this, i think, it's around maybe 10%. that maybe is a little high. but if they could scale that up so people have better access to better food, that would be a great step. >> i feel like you have it
tough. and i mean this. because you grow up warren buffett's son, so you have all these opportunities, all this expectation, all this responsibility. how hard was that? >> it's pretty hard to say it was hard. no one's going to feel sorry for me. >> no, okay, that's true. that's true. >> it's a question i can't win with. but i think there were times when i was young enough, particularly when my dad was getting a little more famous, people would give me a hard time. my brother and sister and i had so many advantages. you know, both living in this country and having the family that we have. and having incredible parents. when they gave us, all of us, this money to be able to try to use in a very effective way, the biggest gift, really, was that they said, go do what you think you can do best. my mom and dad never told any of us how we should do it. finally tonight, remembering journalist, author, and essayist christopher hitchens. he died late last night after a
battle with cancer. he was 62. john avalon is here to talk a little bit about him. i know you were a great admirer of his, and you had a chance to meet him. >> i did, briefly. but this was a person who was a mentor to so many writers. and i had the privilege of meeting him on a few occasions. but today it was an extraordinary outpouring of respect and affection for this man, one of the great essayists of our time. someone who was always fearless and fun, and someone who would always strike a complete moral clarity, with no regard for political correctness. he was prolific. and in the last several months, his battle with cancer was waged with similar heroism. he's just someone who was such a literary hero to so many people. and this is a good time to appreciate and honor and respect and appreciate him. >> it's just amazing, as you were talking a little bit about it today with our staff, you know, there were times he was hated by the people over here and hated by the people o